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		<title>Lang-8: Learning languages the fun (and free) way.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[People that have known me for a while know three things. Firstly, they know me (well, duh). Secondly, they know that I know Chinese. Thirdly, they know that I just lied, I know how to pretend I know Chinese &#8211; actually I suck pretty darn bad at it. In fact, I suck at the whole [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thinkmoult.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/logo_loggedin.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-669" title="logo_loggedin" src="http://thinkmoult.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/logo_loggedin.gif" alt="logo_loggedin" width="110" height="55" border="0" /></a>People that have known me for a while know three things. Firstly, they know me (well, duh). Secondly, they know that I know Chinese. Thirdly, they know that I just lied, I know how to pretend I know Chinese &#8211; actually I suck pretty darn bad at it. In fact, I suck at the whole pretending business too.</p>
<p>So the other day, I came across the original Chinese hacker dude who created the Shellex-overlay for running Chromium on Gentoo Linux. Unfortunately the blog post was in Chinese. I immediately enrolled myself in a chinese tuition class an-</p>
<p>No, I fired up Google translate and stole my brother&#8217;s Chinese girlfriend to properly translate sections that apparently read &#8220;<em>building know not updated porridge</em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t really like languages. Not that I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re really useful and stuff, I just don&#8217;t like them because 1) they suck, and 2) I suck at them. The reasoning I like to use for &#8220;they suck&#8221; is the theory behind natural languages, then moving on to mathematics and programming languages and showing how &#8220;look. 1=1 is 1=1&#8243;. However like a friend of mine, one of my pet peeves is people &#8220;<em>who wan talk talk leik vely good you know wan liao!</em>&#8220;. (a representative sample of the local accent and style of speaking here. (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manglish">Wikipedia entry on Manglish</a> &#8211; it&#8217;s friggin&#8217; made up of <strong>English, Malay, Hokkien, Cantonese, Tamil</strong> &#8211; oh and you&#8217;d find &#8220;g&#8217;day mate&#8221; popping up once in a blue moon) &#8211; yeah, so I can&#8217;t exactly say being decent at a language is unimportant.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">In fact language is really important. Especially when maintaining professionalism. You can&#8217;t argue &#8211; having good language skills are vital for&#8230;communicating well? Wow, that sounded bad.</span></p>
<p>&#8230;and for that reason when some Taiwanese guy lurking in the #gentoo-chat channel (sinsun) <a href="http://lang-8.com">introduced me to <strong>the website Lang-8</strong></a>, I signed up. It&#8217;s a website where you can write journal entries (like a mini-blog) in another language, and other users who are native speakers of that language can come along and insult you.</p>
<p>So you know right away, I go allleady what lah and start correct the crap crap english udder people is writing wan.</p>
<p>No. I actually did start jocking up whatever was left of my 汉语 knowledge and now I&#8217;m learning that I sucked even worse than I thought I did. Well, it&#8217;s still an amazing website, and I&#8217;ve not seen one like it before. I would highly recommend it to anybody thinking to brush up on a foreign language. The correction system is pretty nifty (like crossing out stuff and highlighting) and it has one hell of an active community &#8211; you&#8217;d get responses literally minutes after you post it.</p>
<p>Feel free to add me as a friend, especially if you&#8217;re good at Chinese and can teach me how to say &#8220;Git repository&#8221; in Mandarin. My username there is &#8220;Moult&#8221;.</p>
<p>Note: I actually really do think having good knowledge of a language is very useful &#8211; up to the point where you start thinking &#8220;Here is a piece of paper&#8221; is some sort of symbolic metaphorical imagery for racism.</p>
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