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		<title>By: thinkMoult - Back from Australia &#171;</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>thinkMoult - Back from Australia &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also got a Google Wave account to play with (from Marvin, whose shared interests are in the downfall of TMNet, our ISP [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dion Moult</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1011</link>
		<dc:creator>Dion Moult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha yes, that&#039;s more like it. It&#039;s the OpenDesktop. The Social Desktop. Whether or not that&#039;s integrated with the semantic desktop (which is all the NEPOMUK stuff) is secondary.

Which is a bit what I&#039;m doing with WIPUP :)

But yes, if Wave is implemented on the application level, which I doubt&#039;ll be too hard (right clicking? drag and drop? yeah, the desktop could do that ages ago!) with the OpenDesktop initiative I think it&#039;ll really be quite something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha yes, that&#8217;s more like it. It&#8217;s the OpenDesktop. The Social Desktop. Whether or not that&#8217;s integrated with the semantic desktop (which is all the NEPOMUK stuff) is secondary.</p>
<p>Which is a bit what I&#8217;m doing with WIPUP :)</p>
<p>But yes, if Wave is implemented on the application level, which I doubt&#8217;ll be too hard (right clicking? drag and drop? yeah, the desktop could do that ages ago!) with the OpenDesktop initiative I think it&#8217;ll really be quite something.</p>
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		<title>By: Matija "hook" Šuklje</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>Matija "hook" Šuklje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I have to be honest that I haven&#039;t looked too much into Wave and have only read a few comments and seen the first 20 minutes of its presentation video and skipped through bits of the rest of it.

This is no exactly the post I was referring to in the previous post, but this explains it a bit ...look at the comments:
http://whilos.blogsite.org/?p=144</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I have to be honest that I haven&#8217;t looked too much into Wave and have only read a few comments and seen the first 20 minutes of its presentation video and skipped through bits of the rest of it.</p>
<p>This is no exactly the post I was referring to in the previous post, but this explains it a bit &#8230;look at the comments:<br />
<a href="http://whilos.blogsite.org/?p=144" rel="nofollow">http://whilos.blogsite.org/?p=144</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dion Moult</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>Dion Moult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;m still a bit confused as to how Google Wave is alike NEPOMUK?</description>
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		<title>By: Matija "hook" Šuklje</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>Matija "hook" Šuklje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaaaand Google is about what? ...semantics and relating data!

If nothing else, that&#039;s the key to modern search engines and the basics of profiling for advertising. The former is the bread and the latter the butter of Google ;)

From what I can tell, if KDE were to (and AFAIK that&#039;s the long-term plan) to use the PIMO ontology to relate all the contacts of the same person to that person; apply that to already quite abstracted layer of communication (Kopete, KMail, Telepathy, Choqoq, ...); mix together with some NEPOMUK magic when it comes 

I completely agree that there&#039;s not much to look at from the users&#039; point of view when we&#039;re talking about NEPOMUK and I am a bit disappointed that it takes so long to actually *see* anything. But on the other hand, I didn&#039;t like Kerry (i.e. Beagle search) much and I think and hope that NEPOMUK, being a lot more than that — heck, even Strigi by itself is more powerful then Kerry/Beagle! — will first be done so it works decently before it gets more user interfaces.

This being said, from what I can tell, KDE devs are currently trying to port as many apps as possible to use Akonadi and be NEPOMUK-aware. Just having an indexing and searching tool pretty much useless unless you have apps that can use that data to make something more interesting.

But, yeah ...I&#039;d be wonderful if more people would be working on it to produce more interesting solutions with it as soon as possible! XD

P.S. I also miss Sonnet ...it was planned to be a very advanced spell checker for KDE4 (it could tell which language each word or sentence was from from only 3 characters!), but the developer disappeared without a trace and the project died :\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaaand Google is about what? &#8230;semantics and relating data!</p>
<p>If nothing else, that&#8217;s the key to modern search engines and the basics of profiling for advertising. The former is the bread and the latter the butter of Google ;)</p>
<p>From what I can tell, if KDE were to (and AFAIK that&#8217;s the long-term plan) to use the PIMO ontology to relate all the contacts of the same person to that person; apply that to already quite abstracted layer of communication (Kopete, KMail, Telepathy, Choqoq, &#8230;); mix together with some NEPOMUK magic when it comes </p>
<p>I completely agree that there&#8217;s not much to look at from the users&#8217; point of view when we&#8217;re talking about NEPOMUK and I am a bit disappointed that it takes so long to actually *see* anything. But on the other hand, I didn&#8217;t like Kerry (i.e. Beagle search) much and I think and hope that NEPOMUK, being a lot more than that — heck, even Strigi by itself is more powerful then Kerry/Beagle! — will first be done so it works decently before it gets more user interfaces.</p>
<p>This being said, from what I can tell, KDE devs are currently trying to port as many apps as possible to use Akonadi and be NEPOMUK-aware. Just having an indexing and searching tool pretty much useless unless you have apps that can use that data to make something more interesting.</p>
<p>But, yeah &#8230;I&#8217;d be wonderful if more people would be working on it to produce more interesting solutions with it as soon as possible! XD</p>
<p>P.S. I also miss Sonnet &#8230;it was planned to be a very advanced spell checker for KDE4 (it could tell which language each word or sentence was from from only 3 characters!), but the developer disappeared without a trace and the project died :\</p>
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		<title>By: Dion Moult</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>Dion Moult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as NEPOMUK is still very much in the it&#039;s-all-hidden-functionality-for-developers-and-nothing-for-users-yet area implementing anything Wavish with NEPOMUK will take a long time.

Actually, I don&#039;t think NEPOMUK is even remotely related to communication - it&#039;s about semantics and relating data, isn&#039;t it?

In fact recently there&#039;s been a _lot_ of interest in exactly what NEPOMUK and its technologies are actually doing for the user. I don&#039;t know why it&#039;s popped up now and what triggered it but at least I now have some hope that it&#039;s going to become useful soon.

As for Google Wave, I think a good thing to do I watch what happens to Twitter first and then try to relate it to wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as NEPOMUK is still very much in the it&#8217;s-all-hidden-functionality-for-developers-and-nothing-for-users-yet area implementing anything Wavish with NEPOMUK will take a long time.</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think NEPOMUK is even remotely related to communication &#8211; it&#8217;s about semantics and relating data, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>In fact recently there&#8217;s been a _lot_ of interest in exactly what NEPOMUK and its technologies are actually doing for the user. I don&#8217;t know why it&#8217;s popped up now and what triggered it but at least I now have some hope that it&#8217;s going to become useful soon.</p>
<p>As for Google Wave, I think a good thing to do I watch what happens to Twitter first and then try to relate it to wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Matija "hook" Šuklje</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>Matija "hook" Šuklje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll just let it pass me, like most of Google&#039;s solutions which I don&#039;t really need.

Apart from that, I&#039;m fairly certain I saw a KDE developer (could be some other coder though) comment that what Wave does is actually not that hard to do and could be done in KDE4 as well in the application level using NEPOMUK. Concerning *if* they&#039;ll do it, he said that KDE4 is actually planning to achieve something similar, but better, in the future by connecting PIM, communication apps and settings with NEPOMUK&#039;s ontologies. This would give the user a lot more power and control over the apps, their privacy and data.

So, I&#039;d rather FOSS coders spend their time on the Semantic desktop idea in KDE4 (or GNOME) instead of working on Google Wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just let it pass me, like most of Google&#8217;s solutions which I don&#8217;t really need.</p>
<p>Apart from that, I&#8217;m fairly certain I saw a KDE developer (could be some other coder though) comment that what Wave does is actually not that hard to do and could be done in KDE4 as well in the application level using NEPOMUK. Concerning *if* they&#8217;ll do it, he said that KDE4 is actually planning to achieve something similar, but better, in the future by connecting PIM, communication apps and settings with NEPOMUK&#8217;s ontologies. This would give the user a lot more power and control over the apps, their privacy and data.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;d rather FOSS coders spend their time on the Semantic desktop idea in KDE4 (or GNOME) instead of working on Google Wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dion Moult</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Dion Moult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hessiess, I think it&#039;s time you learned the meaning of &quot;impotent&quot;: (of a male) unable to copulate

I&#039;m on hessiess with this one, I&#039;ll play with it but it&#039;ll unlikely become a standard application for quite a while.

Google is releasing it as an open-source project, but not handling it as an open-source project. It&#039;s keeping the leash on the project whilst coders are attracted to the supposed freedom they get and polish off their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hessiess, I think it&#8217;s time you learned the meaning of &#8220;impotent&#8221;: (of a male) unable to copulate</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on hessiess with this one, I&#8217;ll play with it but it&#8217;ll unlikely become a standard application for quite a while.</p>
<p>Google is releasing it as an open-source project, but not handling it as an open-source project. It&#8217;s keeping the leash on the project whilst coders are attracted to the supposed freedom they get and polish off their work.</p>
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		<title>By: p.</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>p.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly. As Google is releasing it as an open source project, it might be something positive. Does Google Wave have the potential to become the next big thing on the net? Yes, Google always does that. :)
Oh, and Happy Birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly. As Google is releasing it as an open source project, it might be something positive. Does Google Wave have the potential to become the next big thing on the net? Yes, Google always does that. :)<br />
Oh, and Happy Birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: hessiess</title>
		<link>http://thinkmoult.com/2009/09/30/planning-to-surf-the-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>hessiess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>might play with it, wont be using it for anything impotent as it goes against my trust no one policy.</description>
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